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10/19/2011 02:30 PM House FISHERIES


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02:42:13 PM Start
02:42:29 PM Presentation: Salmon Management on the Arctic-yukon-kuskokwim Region
05:29:29 PM Adjourn
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Location: Dena'ina Civic & Convention Center,
600 W. Seventh Ave. - Conference Rm. 3, 2nd Floor
Salmon Management in the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim
Region
2:30 -- Opening Comments Rep. Thompson, Chair and
Rep. Herron
2:45 -- AK Dept. of F&G -- Overview of Management
and Funding for the Salmon Fisheries in the AYK
Region and Response to Submitted Questions
3:30 -- Resource Management Concerns and Alloca-
tion of Management Resources
3:45 -- Local Input Regarding Policies and
Management Issues
4:00 -- Community Involvement in Management
Decisions and Monitoring
4:15 -- Cooperative Research & Monitoring:
Fisheries Management Begins at the Local Level
4:30 -- AK Dept. of F&G Committee Questions &
Department Comments
4:45 -- Public Testimony
5:30 -- Committee Closing Comments
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                       Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                        
                        October 19, 2011                                                                                        
                           2:42 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Steve Thompson, Chair                                                                                            
Representative Alan Austerman                                                                                                   
Representative Bob Herron                                                                                                       
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
Representative Bob Miller                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Craig Johnson, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Lance Pruitt                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Alan Dick                                                                                                        
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: SALMON MANAGEMENT ON THE ARCTIC-YUKON-KUSKOKWIM                                                                   
REGION                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CORA CAMPBELL, Commissioner                                                                                                     
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave opening remarks on behalf of ADF&G                                                                  
during the presentation on salmon management on the Arctic-                                                                     
Yukon-Kuskokwim Region.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JEFF REGNART, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Commercial Fisheries                                                                                                
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:     Presented   information  and   answered                                                             
questions  during the  presentation on  salmon management  on the                                                               
Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim Region.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JOHN LINDERMAN, Central Region Supervisor                                                                                       
Division of Commercial Fisheries                                                                                                
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Presented   information   during   the                                                             
presentation on  salmon management on  the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim                                                               
Region.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
TIMOTHY ANDREW, Director of Natural Resources                                                                                   
Association of Village Council Presidents (AVCP)                                                                                
Bethel, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  during  the  hearing on  salmon                                                             
management on the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim Region.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ROSE FOSDICK, Vice President                                                                                                    
Natural Resources Division                                                                                                      
Kawerak, Inc.                                                                                                                   
Nome, Alaska                                                                                                                    
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Gave  a  presentation entitled,  "Resource                                                             
Management Concerns and Allocations of Management Resources."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JILL KLEIN, Executive Director                                                                                                  
Yukon River Drainage Fisheries Association (YRDFA)                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:     Gave   a   presentation  on   community                                                             
involvement in management decisions and monitoring.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
KAREN GILLIS, Executive Director                                                                                                
Bering Sea Fishermen's Association (BSFA)                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Gave a presentation  entitled, "Cooperative                                                             
Research & Monitoring:  Fisheries  Management Begins at the Local                                                               
Level."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ORVILLE HUNTINGTON, Director                                                                                                    
Wildlife Parks                                                                                                                  
Tanana Chiefs Conference                                                                                                        
Huslia, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified regarding  salmon management  on                                                             
the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim Region.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
LOUIS GREEN                                                                                                                     
Nome, Alaska                                                                                                                    
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified regarding  salmon management  on                                                             
the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim Region.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
VERNER WILSON                                                                                                                   
Dillingham, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified regarding  salmon management  on                                                             
the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim Region.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
STAN ZURAY                                                                                                                      
Tanana Village, Alaska                                                                                                          
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified regarding  salmon management  on                                                             
the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim Region.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
FRED W. ALEXIE, SR.                                                                                                             
Kaltag, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified regarding  salmon management  on                                                             
the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim Region.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TIM SMITH, President                                                                                                            
Nome Fishermen's Association                                                                                                    
Nome, Alaska                                                                                                                    
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified regarding  salmon management  on                                                             
the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim Region.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN MARACLE, Director                                                                                                         
Natural Resources                                                                                                               
Council of Athabascan Tribal Governments                                                                                        
Fort Yukon, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified regarding  salmon management  on                                                             
the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim Region.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ROY ASHENFELTER                                                                                                                 
Nome, Alaska                                                                                                                    
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified regarding  salmon management  on                                                             
the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim Region.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:42:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVE  THOMPSON  called the  House  Special  Committee  on                                                             
Fisheries  meeting  to  order  at   2:42  p.m.    Representatives                                                               
Thompson, Herron, Kawasaki (via  teleconference), and Miller (via                                                               
teleconference)   were   present   at    the   call   to   order.                                                               
Representative Austerman arrived as  the meeting was in progress.                                                               
Representatives Joule, Dick, Seaton,  and Guttenberg, and Senator                                                               
Hoffman were also present.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:42:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation:  Salmon Management  on the  Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim                                                               
Region                                                                                                                          
Presentation:  Salmon  Management on  the  Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim                                                             
Region                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
2:42:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HERRON  stated  that  the  Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim                                                               
(AYK)  Region encompasses  40 percent  of Alaska  geographically,                                                               
but some of his constituents wonder  if the region is getting its                                                               
share  of  attention  in  terms  of  subsistence  and  commercial                                                               
fishing  management practices  by the  state.   He expressed  his                                                               
hope that  this hearing would  lead toward improvements  in those                                                               
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HERRON  listed  the following  factors  affecting                                                               
AYK's wild  salmon:  the  conditions of the North  Pacific Ocean;                                                               
high  profile,   high  seas  illegal  fishing;   climate  change;                                                               
regulated intercept fisheries, both on  the high seas and rivers;                                                               
the  competition between  subsistence,  commercial, and  personal                                                               
use consumption fishing;  and the new threat of  a flu-like virus                                                               
on salmon.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:45:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CORA  CAMPBELL, Commissioner,  Alaska Department  of Fish  & Game                                                               
(ADF&G),   stated  that   the   department   pulled  together   a                                                               
considerable amount  of information in response  to the questions                                                               
by the committee's staff, and  she expressed appreciation for the                                                               
ongoing  interest that  the legislature  has had  on this  topic.                                                               
She spoke of  the dependency of people in the  AYK Region on fish                                                               
species  for   survival,  both  in   terms  of   subsistence  and                                                               
commercial   fishing,  and   she  said   necessary  restrictions,                                                               
particularly on subsistence, have led  to hardship in the region.                                                               
She said  the investment  made by the  state and  legislature has                                                               
allowed the department to procure  the necessary tools to improve                                                               
its  assessments, to  provide additional  certainty about  salmon                                                               
runs in the  region, and to provide more  adaptive assessment and                                                               
management in  an attempt to  provide as much  opportunity during                                                               
times of "low  abundance."  She said this does  not eliminate the                                                               
hardship  endured  by  those  in   the  region  when  subsistence                                                               
closures are  necessary, and  she said  the department  still has                                                               
additional work to do.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:48:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON asked for  comment regarding the "emotional                                                               
threat" of  [the recent infectious  salmon anemia (ISA)  virus of                                                               
salmon in British Columbia].                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL said the  department's pathologist has been                                                               
studying that  virus since its  discovery.  She deferred  to Jeff                                                               
Regnart for further response.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:49:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF REGNART, Director, Division  of Commercial Fisheries, Alaska                                                               
Department of Fish  & Game (ADF&G), stated that it  is known that                                                               
salmon can  carry ISA, but  it is  yet unknown whether  the virus                                                               
can be detrimental  to the fish; more work needs  to be done with                                                               
the samples to make that determination.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DICK suggested that it  would be good for those in                                                               
the AYK  Region to receive  the information he  recently received                                                               
from  Craig Fleener  in Bethel.   He  said he  thinks that  would                                                               
improve   the  relationship   between   those   people  and   the                                                               
department, and  allow the people  to apply that  information and                                                               
to ask pertinent questions.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  said  the   House  Special  Committee  on                                                               
Fisheries  worked to  get reports  done to  show the  reasons why                                                               
"over-escapement"  was taking  place,  and to  address fish  runs                                                               
where  there was  a  deficit  and money  was  lost  to the  local                                                               
economy due to foregone harvest.   He asked if the department has                                                               
continued its  work on the  reports of monitored streams,  and if                                                               
the  results  of  that  work  are  being  reported  back  to  the                                                               
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REGNART said  the department  has continued  the process  of                                                               
determining  whether  it met  its  escapement  goals and  whether                                                               
additional measures  could be  used to  affect those  areas where                                                               
there was foregone harvest.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THOMPSON asked  if the department has a time  frame in mind                                                               
when the report will be completed.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. REGNART  said this  process has been  done by  the department                                                               
for  some time  now,  and  he recollected  that  the reports  are                                                               
usually available by mid-January.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:54:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON requested information  regarding the age of                                                               
returning Chinook  salmon in the  AYK Region.  He  explained that                                                               
there is concern that there  are no more eight- or seven-year-old                                                               
Chinook salmon, but there is  information that there are six- and                                                               
five-year-old Chinook salmon.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:55:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   LINDERMAN,   Central   Region  Supervisor,   Division   of                                                               
Commercial Fisheries,  Alaska Department of Fish  & Game (ADF&G),                                                               
stated that the  AYK Region extends from the Alaska  Range to the                                                               
North  Slope and  from  the  Canadian border  to  the Bering  Sea                                                               
coast, at  least north of  the Bristol Bay area.   He said  it is                                                               
broken up  into the  following fisheries  management areas:   the                                                               
Arctic  area,  comprised of  Kotzebue  Sound,  the Port  Clarence                                                               
area,  and  the Norton  Sound  area,  inclusive of  St.  Lawrence                                                               
Island; the  Yukon northern area,  comprised of the  U.S. portion                                                               
of the Yukon River drainage, and  the North Slope from Point Hope                                                               
to the Canadian  border along the Beaufort and  Chukchi Seas; and                                                               
the  Kuskokwim area,  comprised of  the Kuskokwim  River drainage                                                               
and  Kuskokwim Bay  areas, including  both southern  and northern                                                               
Kuskokwim Bay and Nunivak Island.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDERMAN  said the AYK Region  is one of the  most remote in                                                               
the  state, comprised  primarily  of  small, remote  communities,                                                               
with the  exception of Fairbanks,  Bethel, Nome, and Barrow.   He                                                               
said there  is a  large Alaska  Native population  throughout the                                                               
region, particularly  in the  small rural  communities.   Most of                                                               
the  communities  are  detached  from the  road  system  and  are                                                               
accessible only by air or  water.  Mr. Linderman said subsistence                                                               
is prevalent throughout the region.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDERMAN said the AYK  Region's subsistence fishery harvests                                                               
all species of salmon -  Chinook probably being the most desired,                                                               
as well as herring, shellfish,  crab, halibut, whitefish, burbot,                                                               
and char.   He  said commercial fisheries  within the  AYK region                                                               
are small  compared to other  commercial fisheries in  the state.                                                               
The  majority  of  those  commercial  fisheries  are  focused  on                                                               
harvesting salmon,  but there  are also  king crab,  herring, and                                                               
halibut, and  non-salmon, freshwater  fisheries.  The  latter are                                                               
primarily specific to the Yukon  River drainage for whitefish and                                                               
lamprey.  He said the  majority of the commercial activity occurs                                                               
in remote areas of the  region, and the majority of participation                                                               
in those fisheries  is at the local level thus  the fisheries are                                                               
small in scale, but great in  economic impact.  He explained that                                                               
there is limited  economic activity in these remote  areas of the                                                               
state.  He  said there is a strong  connection between commercial                                                               
and subsistence fisheries  in the AYK Region because  much of the                                                               
income  gained through  commercial fishing  activity is  put back                                                               
into subsistence fishing and hunting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:59:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDERMAN stated  that sport fisheries within  the AYK Region                                                               
are also  small in scale compared  to the rest of  the state, and                                                               
they  are  focused  primarily on  salmon  and  resident  species,                                                               
including  trout,  Arctic  grayling,  sheefish,  and  pike.    He                                                               
relayed  that  sport  fishing occurs  in  urban,  non-subsistence                                                               
areas, such as Fairbanks, but  that there are "guiding operations                                                               
as well  as private  sport activity"  throughout the  AYK Region.                                                               
Harvest  from  sport  fishing  is  fairly  low  compared  to  the                                                               
subsistence and  commercial fisheries  that occur  throughout the                                                               
region.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LINDERMAN next  gave  an  overview of  the  2011 AYK  Region                                                               
salmon  fishery,   broken  down   by  the   previously  described                                                               
management  areas.    In  the Norton  Sound  area,  he  reported,                                                               
Unakaleet   Chinook   abundance    was   poor,   which   required                                                               
restrictions  and  a late  season  closure  in order  to  achieve                                                               
adequate escapements  within the drainage.   However, opportunity                                                               
was provided  for subsistence fishing  of other species,  such as                                                               
chum and  Coho salmon.   He said  the Nome sub-district  chum run                                                               
has improved from  its historical lows; since 2005,  that run has                                                               
been  operated under  a Tier  I  fishery.   Overall, he  related,                                                               
Norton  Sound commercial  salmon fisheries  realized some  of the                                                               
highest commercial harvest and participation  that ADF&G has seen                                                               
in decades, and fishermen benefited  from a record high ex-vessel                                                               
value in that fishery in 2011.   He said the summer red king crab                                                               
fishery in Norton Sound achieved  its quota earlier than expected                                                               
this year, and fishermen benefited  from a record ex-vessel value                                                               
in that fishery in 2011.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LINDERMAN  said  the Kuskokwim  area  experienced  a  second                                                               
consecutive  year   of  poor  Chinook  salmon   abundance,  which                                                               
resulted  in  periodic  closures  to  the  Lower  Yukon-Kuskokwim                                                               
subsistence  fishery   and  reduced  commercial   opportunity  in                                                               
Kuskokwim Bay  areas within the  month of  June.  Area  chum runs                                                               
were above  average, sockeye runs were  highly variable depending                                                               
on the system in  the area - average to below  average - and Coho                                                               
runs  were   average.    He   said  this  allowed   for  adequate                                                               
subsistence opportunity and harvest of  these species.  He stated                                                               
that  although  commercial activity  was  reduced  or delayed  in                                                               
response  to Chinook  conservation  measures, overall  commercial                                                               
harvest in the  Kuskokwim area was average  and participation and                                                               
value was above average in 2011.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDERMAN said the Yukon River  Chinook run was poor in 2011,                                                               
resulting in  reductions to  subsistence fishing  time throughout                                                               
the  drainage,  reduced sport  fishing  bag  limits, no  directed                                                               
commercial Chinook  salmon fishery,  and barring  of the  sale of                                                               
Chinook   salmon  caught   incidental   to   other  fisheries   -                                                               
specifically  summer chum  salmon.   He  said management  actions                                                               
taken  this  year  resulted  in  achieving  the  Canadian  border                                                               
objectives for  Chinook salmon, while  still maximizing  the U.S.                                                               
harvest  opportunity  on  surplus  fish  in  excess  of  Canadian                                                               
objectives,  and  overall  drainage-wide escapement  needs.    He                                                               
specified  that  the border  objectives  are  established by  the                                                               
Yukon  River  panel  with  a  range of  42,000  to  55,000,  with                                                               
provision for a border passing  agreement, which is approximately                                                               
5,000 fish.   The estimated border passage this  year was 49,780.                                                               
Mr. Linderman said the summer chum  run was well above average in                                                               
2011, although ongoing conservation  measures directed at Chinook                                                               
salmon  did limit  commercial  harvest  opportunity on  available                                                               
surpluses of  summer chum.   Fall chum  abundance was  also above                                                               
average,  which provided  for  unrestricted subsistence  fishing,                                                               
and Canadian border objectives were  also achieved.  Furthermore,                                                               
an above average commercial harvest was achieved, he noted.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:05:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON, regarding a situation  in which there is a                                                               
surplus  of  chum  and  a   Chinook  restriction,  asked  if  the                                                               
department has  been talking  with local  populations to  come up                                                               
with any  other strategies for  harvest, other  than gillnetting,                                                               
so that the foregone harvest  could be taken without jeopardizing                                                               
Chinook salmon.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LINDERMAN answered  yes.   He said  the department  has been                                                               
considering gear strategies, and "time  and area" strategies.  He                                                               
said there is  the ability, especially through  lower Yukon River                                                               
test fisheries, to  determine when high abundance of  chum may be                                                               
present in certain districts in  concurrence with a low abundance                                                               
of  Chinook  salmon.   He  said  the  department has  even  split                                                               
districts into sub-districts to take  advantage of the numbers of                                                               
chum and  Chinook and minimize  the impact of  incidental harvest                                                               
on those species.  He said  there is also experimental work being                                                               
done to determine whether fish  wheels would be feasible in those                                                               
districts.   Traditionally,  he explained,  fish wheels  have not                                                               
been  feasible  in that  area,  because  specific conditions  are                                                               
needed to make  them effective.  If fish wheels  are viable, they                                                               
offer  two potential  benefits:   they usually  don't catch  many                                                               
Chinook,  but do  catch  more  chum, because  they  are close  to                                                               
shore;  and  fish  wheels  make it  possible  to  "live  release"                                                               
Chinook  salmon  that  may  be  caught in  them.    He  said  the                                                               
department is open to ideas.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDERMAN,  in response to  a follow-up question,  said there                                                               
would be  no restrictions  to using  fish wheels.   He  said this                                                               
year  the  department has  the  ability  to  have time  and  area                                                               
openings  and closures.   He  indicated that  the department  has                                                               
strategies  that it  could put  in play,  but may  need statutory                                                               
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:09:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUTTENBERG  asked if  the department  foresees any                                                               
other conservation  measures other than just  managing the salmon                                                               
coming up the river.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDERMAN  said that is a  difficult question to answer.   He                                                               
said the ability  exists to change district  boundaries and allow                                                               
for more  flexibility in management.   Much  of that can  be done                                                               
independent of regulation, given  the authority of the department                                                               
with respect  to time and  area.   He cautioned that  "going down                                                               
those  roads"  might confuse  users,  but  suggested that  having                                                               
users get  used to  regulations in the  process of  adopting them                                                               
might  be useful.    He  said there  are  several approaches  and                                                               
strategies that can  be taken, but they revolve  around the gear,                                                               
and  time and  area,  as  "broad topics  of  the  tools that  are                                                               
available to management."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:11:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DICK  said he  lives on  headwaters and  is always                                                               
thinking about  spawning grounds.   He  said the  sheefish follow                                                               
fry down river and consume  them, and he suggested the department                                                               
do a  study about predatory  fish.   He said he  thinks attention                                                               
should be  given to ways  to get the  salmon "down to  the mouth"                                                               
and into the ocean.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:13:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REGNART directed  attention to  a handout  [included in  the                                                               
committee packet],  which shows a  summary of the  FY 01 -  FY 12                                                               
budgets.  For  the Division of Commercial  Fisheries, the numbers                                                               
for the general fund and  special projects ran from $44.7 million                                                               
to $67.4 million.  The  general fund and special projects amounts                                                               
for  the AYK  Region ran  between $9.5  million and  $6.7 million                                                               
during the  same time period.   The AYK Region sport  fish totals                                                               
ran between  $24.9 and  $49.1 million,  but at  this point  are a                                                               
little less than that, he said.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REGNART  said  the  department  has  portions  of  operating                                                               
revenue  and capital  that go  toward  stocks that  have been  of                                                               
concern since  FY 07.   He said the  amount spent in  the overall                                                               
region to study  those stocks of concern has  increased from $2.2                                                               
million to $4.2 million since FY 07.   He gave a breakdown of the                                                               
increase in  dollars spent  by area:   Norton Sound,  $260,000 to                                                               
$500,000;  the Yukon,  just over  $800,000 to  approximately $2.2                                                               
million; Kuskokwim, $540,000 to $640,000.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:15:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REGNART  said  when the  current  assessment  programs  were                                                               
looked at  for the  overall area,  managers in  the area  felt it                                                               
would  be beneficial  to have  additional sonar  programs at  the                                                               
tributary  level.   He said  recording  tributary salmon  passage                                                               
would do the following:  provide  total passage of the system and                                                               
escapement  estimates;  allow  for   the  assessment  and/or  the                                                               
establishment of  escapement goals;  provide in-season  and post-                                                               
season ability to manage the  terminal fisheries if they do exist                                                               
in those tributaries; and feed  into the general understanding of                                                               
stock status.  The cost for  a small system would be $150,000 for                                                               
start-up  and $150,000  annually.   The  cost for  a system  with                                                               
sonar  in  a  large  river   environment,  he  said,  would  cost                                                               
approximately $400,000 for start-up and $400,000 annually.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REGNART said  that  between  FY 00  and  FY  11, the  Alaska                                                               
Sustainable Salmon  Fund (AKSSF)  has funded about  68 individual                                                               
state, federal,  and nongovernmental organization  (NGO) projects                                                               
at a total of just over $7  million.  Many of those projects were                                                               
in  collaboration  with  ADF&G and  included:    research,  large                                                               
riverine,   radio  telemetry,   run   reconstruction,  mark   and                                                               
recapture, marine,  and juvenile study  programs.  He  noted that                                                               
the  AKSSF funding  source is  the  same as  the Pacific  Coastal                                                               
Salmon Recovery Fund (PCSRF) - the name changed over the years.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. REGNART  said enhancement  work is being  done in  the Norton                                                               
Sound area.   The  department has  a statewide  private nonprofit                                                               
(PNP) office that  assists the Regional Planning  Team (RPT) with                                                               
its  long-range   enhancement  program  effort.     He  said  the                                                               
department also has  the ability to review  and monitor different                                                               
enhancement programs  through the permitting process  and is also                                                               
working on  how to get  access to chums  when Chinook are  low in                                                               
abundance,  such as  the opportunities  given to  users for  fall                                                               
chums in  the Yukon  River.   He said  the department  is working                                                               
with  locals and  NGOs to  gain access  to local  resources.   He                                                               
invited  Mr.  Linderman  to  talk about  stocks  of  concern  and                                                               
actions.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THOMPSON said  he thinks  everyone present  wants to  know                                                               
when there will be positive results.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REGNART agreed  there have  been millions  of dollars  spent                                                               
over  the  last ten  to  twelve  years,  and the  department  has                                                               
learned  a   lot.    It   now  understands   more  stock-specific                                                               
information,  can build  total runs,  and can  come up  with more                                                               
accurate  tables.   He  opined  the  department  is in  a  better                                                               
position to more accurately demonstrate  to the public, the Board                                                               
of Fisheries  (BOF), and the  legislature, what the  goals should                                                               
be in the systems.   He said it is a matter  of getting the right                                                               
number of  spawners and  letting Mother  Nature take  her course.                                                               
At  this  point,  because  of what  the  department  has  learned                                                               
through  its projects,  it is  staged to  take full  advantage of                                                               
production, and although Chinook  production has been poor, there                                                               
has  been an  indication  that  that is  turning  around, as  the                                                               
department hopes.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:20:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HERRON  questioned  why areas  of  stock  concern                                                               
still exist  and what tool the  department is missing or  has not                                                               
utilized.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. REGNART said  he cannot point out a tool  that the department                                                               
does  not   have;  in   fact,  the   department  has   a  greater                                                               
understanding  of   productivity,  but   that  does   not  change                                                               
environment.   He  said there  have  been changes,   some  stock-                                                               
specific  and some  species-specific,    however, the  department                                                               
does not  have the answer  regarding Yukon River Chinook  as many                                                               
of the  changes are being driven  by the marine environment.   It                                                               
is very difficult to garner information in a marine environment.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LINDERMAN,  in  response to  Representative  Herron,  agreed                                                               
there has  been a  decline since the  mid-'80s of  8-year-olds in                                                               
the  Yukon.    However,  7-year-olds  are  still  seen,  and  the                                                               
predominate  age class  in the  Chinook population  in the  Yukon                                                               
[River]  has always  been 5-  to 6-year-olds.   He  further noted                                                               
that  4-year-olds are  less frequently  seen.   There has  been a                                                               
recent decline in  the number of 7-year-olds, but  there has been                                                               
a  "stabilizing to  some extent"  of  the current  trends in  age                                                               
class within a  short time frame of 5-plus years.   Mr. Linderman                                                               
opined it is too early to  determine whether that is a trend that                                                               
is going to remain or change.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:24:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN  asked if  the department needs,  and is                                                               
anticipating, money coming in from  sustainable salmon funds that                                                               
can be used toward further study on  the Yukon.  He queried as to                                                               
whether  the  stocks of  concern  of  '07, and  the  department's                                                               
stocks of concern of today, are the same.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. REGNARD  answered that the  concern is  partly the same.   He                                                               
said ADF&G  is going to  "touch on stocks of  concern," including                                                               
"what  was started  in 2000  when the  designation actually  came                                                               
into  existence,"  what has  changed,  and  where the  department                                                               
currently is.   Regarding the  dollars spent on studies,  he said                                                               
the  department is  constantly looking  for ways  to improve  its                                                               
data.  He related that when there  is a stock of concern there is                                                               
a  higher level  of expectation  that the  department can  "learn                                                               
something that we haven't known before."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN  asked  what  proposals  currently  are                                                               
coming forth from the department regarding "the marine aspect."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:26:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDERMAN said a study  through the National Marine Fisheries                                                               
Service  (NMFS) in  Juneau, which  focuses  exclusively on  Yukon                                                               
River Canadian  orange and Chinook  salmon, is an example  of the                                                               
recent  increase  in  ADF&G's collaboration  with  NMFS  and  the                                                               
National Oceanic and Atmospheric  Administration (NOAA).  He said                                                               
this  project involves  genetics evaluation  - Chinook  salmon of                                                               
Canadian  origin are  genetically distinct  - and  stated, "These                                                               
are essentially  fish just after  they've entered  into saltwater                                                               
in their first  year."  He said the department  sees this project                                                               
as one  through which  to gain insight  into that  specific stock                                                               
and, by  extension, into the  Yukon River  stock in general.   In                                                               
response  to   a  follow-up  question,  he   confirmed  that  the                                                               
department  does  work with  multiple  agencies  with respect  to                                                               
genetics.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDERMAN responded to  further questions from Representative                                                               
Austerman.   He  specified that  while the  Yukon River  Canadian                                                               
Chinook salmon are genetically distinct,  others species are not.                                                               
He  stated  that  achieving  escapement   of  those  Yukon  River                                                               
Canadian Chinook salmon is critical  to the sustainability of the                                                               
overall  stock;  approximately half  of  the  entire Yukon  River                                                               
Chinook  run is  produced  by  fish that  spawn  and rear  within                                                               
Canadian  waters.   He said  47,000 is  the number  of fish  that                                                               
historically  have made  it  across  the border;  it  is not  the                                                               
escapement number.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:31:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THOMPSON  asked if the  changes in abundance and  age class                                                               
are irreversible.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LINDERMAN answered  that this  is  an issue  that ADF&G  has                                                               
studied, specifically  as it relates  to the Yukon River,  and it                                                               
plans to continue investigation on  the Kuskokwim River, as well.                                                               
He talked  about the involvement  of the BOF in  multiple studies                                                               
conducted over  a decade to  determine the causes and  history of                                                               
the age class.   He said the result of the  board looking at that                                                               
issue  was a  mesh  size  restriction in  2011.    Prior to  that                                                               
restriction,  both  subsistence  and  commercial  fisheries  were                                                               
unrestricted  when targeting  Chinook salmon  using gillnet  mesh                                                               
gear.    He said  a  7.5-inch  mesh  size allows  other  species,                                                               
including chum,  to swim through the  net.  He said  the expected                                                               
result is  to have the escapements  mimic the same age,  sex, and                                                               
size class  that the return  was prior to harvest  occurring, and                                                               
the department will continue its monitoring.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THOMPSON  asked how  accurate the  bycatch counts  were for                                                               
offshore commercial fishing of salmon.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:34:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. REGNART  replied that the  department feels that  the bycatch                                                               
number  in   today's  offshore  fishery  is   a  fairly  accurate                                                               
representation of what's being caught,  in large part due to some                                                               
of  the  changes  that  have  occurred  there  with  100  percent                                                               
observer coverage.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:35:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDERMAN  listed the four  current stocks of  concern within                                                               
the AYK Region:   Norton Sound sub-district 1  chum; Norton Sound                                                               
sub-districts 2  and 3 chum;  Norton Sound sub-districts 5  and 6                                                               
Chinook; and  Yukon River Chinook.   The  year 2000 -  just after                                                               
the sustainable salmon  policy was put into regulation  - was the                                                               
first year  that stocks of  concern were established  within AYK.                                                               
At  that time  there  were a  total of  nine  stocks of  concern,                                                               
including  Yukon   fall  chum,   Kuskokwim  River   Chinook,  and                                                               
Kuskokwim  River   chum  salmon.     He  said  there   have  been                                                               
improvements in several of those  runs, in the Kuskokwim River in                                                               
particular.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LINDERMAN, regarding  implications of  stocks of  concern to                                                               
users,  stated  that  salmon are  primarily  managed  to  achieve                                                               
adequate  escapements  to  sustain  the runs  indefinitely.    If                                                               
escapements are  not achieved, then harvest  is typically reduced                                                               
in order  to increase the  number of fish  that are making  it to                                                               
the spawning  grounds.  He said  the specific impact to  users is                                                               
variable, depending  upon the type of  stock concern designation,                                                               
of which  there are three:   a yield concern, which  is primarily                                                               
focused on  not achieving  the same level  of harvest  surplus; a                                                               
management  concern,  which means  the  result  of management  on                                                               
harvest levels; and a conservation  concern, which relates to not                                                               
achieving  adequate  escapements,  even   if  all  fisheries,  by                                                               
function, were closed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:37:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LINDERMAN said  current  stocks of  concern  are focused  on                                                               
yields.   He said there  is a  refocus on ensuring  that adequate                                                               
escapements will  be achieved before allowing  unlimited harvest.                                                               
The  primary  effect on  that,  he  said,  is on  the  commercial                                                               
fisheries.  He acknowledged that  in recent years there have been                                                               
additional restrictions "within the  Yukon Chinook fishery to the                                                               
subsistence fishery and  a complete closure."   He indicated that                                                               
restrictions will  be evaluated over  a number of  years, through                                                               
the  AYK  board cycle,  to  see  whether  that stock  of  concern                                                               
designation warrants  change.  Mr.  Linderman said the  one stock                                                               
of concern for which restrictions  have been listed in regulation                                                               
is Nome  district chum salmon.   He said the Tier  II fishery was                                                               
actually  put  in place  prior  to  that designation  because  it                                                               
predated the sustainable  salmon policy.  He  stated, "We haven't                                                               
seen a  Tier II fishery  in [the]  Nome area, given  increases in                                                               
abundance of  those Nome  area chum salmon  since ...  mid 2000."                                                               
He said  the numbers have not  increased to the point  that would                                                               
support a commercial fishery, but  it is encouraging to have seen                                                               
an increase in abundance so  that the effect on subsistence users                                                               
is not as great.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:39:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON asked  if all  the department's  stocks of                                                               
concern are  those that failed  to meet escapement  goals instead                                                               
of those that are exceeding escapement goals.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. REGNARD answered  yes.  He said the  department has discussed                                                               
the concept of goals that may  be exceeded routinely for a number                                                               
of  years,  and whether  that  would  be  designated as  a  yield                                                               
concern or  a management concern.   He said trying to  figure out                                                               
the effects of excess stock is more difficult.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON suggested  that  the  definition needs  to                                                               
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON  concurred with Representative  Seaton that                                                               
there may  need to  be another  level of  concern.   He expressed                                                               
fear  that current  management of  the Kuskokwim  will result  in                                                               
going to Tier II, which he said would be disastrous.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:43:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIMOTHY  ANDREW, Director  of Natural  Resources, Association  of                                                               
Village Council Presidents (AVCP), noted  that he was speaking in                                                               
place  of Myron  Naneng,  president  of AVCP,  who  could not  be                                                               
present.  Mr. Andrew stated  that the AVCP Region encompasses the                                                               
lower  Yukon River  and  much  of the  Kuskokwim  River, and  the                                                               
people there are  dependent upon salmon.  He said  the people who                                                               
reside  in this  region consume  about 664  pounds per  capita of                                                               
wild  food, 60  percent of  which is  fish, and  approximately 80                                                               
percent of  that is salmon.   He said the Chinook  fishery on the                                                               
Yukon  and   Kuskokwim  Rivers  makes   up  80  percent   of  the                                                               
subsistence  utilization in  the state  of Alaska.   In  the last                                                               
three years,  the subsistence  harvest of  Chinook salmon  on the                                                               
Yukon  River  fell  near  or  below  the  minimum  necessary  for                                                               
subsistence.     He   remarked  that   within  the   department's                                                               
presentation he  had not heard  mention of the  amounts necessary                                                               
for  subsistence.   In 2011,  he said,  it is  likely that  those                                                               
numbers will fall lower still.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:46:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREW stated  that the commercial ex-vessel  value fell from                                                               
$9,957,002 in 1992  to $20,970 in 2009, and he  said in 2011 that                                                               
number likely will have dropped  further.  The commercial fishing                                                               
permits on  the lower Yukon River  have dropped from 798  down to                                                               
379 during  the period between  the 1970s  and 2011.   Mr. Andrew                                                               
said  the commercialization  of Chinook  salmon has  dropped from                                                               
158,018 in 1981 to  only 316 in 2009, and it  is expected to drop                                                               
further in 2011.   The subsistence utilization  of Chinook salmon                                                               
dropped from 63,915  in 1993 to 32,977 in 2009,  and would likely                                                               
be the same or less [in 2011].                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREW said Yukon River Chinook  salmon have been listed as a                                                               
stock of concern because of chronic  lower returns.  He said that                                                               
although  its  assertions  are   anecdotal  at  this  time,  AVCP                                                               
believes that  the quality of  escapement is a current  issue for                                                               
both rivers.  During both  the Kuskokwim Interagency meeting held                                                               
in  Anchorage in  spring of  this year,  and the  Kuskokwim River                                                               
Salmon Management Working  Group meeting in summer  of this year,                                                               
AVCP  recommended  the  utilization  of six-inch  gear  to  allow                                                               
subsistence  opportunity to  harvest and  target jack  salmon and                                                               
improve the  quality of  escapement on the  Kuskokwim River.   He                                                               
said ADF&G  responded that  all kings are  necessary to  meet the                                                               
escapement goals.   He said,  "It appears  to us that  quality of                                                               
escapement is  not a concern,  but managers' ability to  meet the                                                               
escapement goals  is the  ultimate goal."   He said  salmon girth                                                               
and weight are important in improving escapement quality.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:48:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREW  stated that it  is AVCP's  opinion that if  the pilot                                                               
station sonar  is going to  be used  as a major  management tool,                                                               
then  there needs  to be  a  protocol to  increase data  accuracy                                                               
during  high-debris,   high-silt,  and  high-water  years.     He                                                               
explained   that  it   is  in   these   years  that   subsistence                                                               
restrictions  to   include  absolute  subsistence   closures  are                                                               
endured.   He  said ADF&G  has years  of run  reconstruction data                                                               
from testing  variances and  questionable operational  years, and                                                               
AVCP believes that that data can  aid in developing protocol.  He                                                               
said despite  the conservation measures  instituted by  ADF&G and                                                               
the Office of  Subsistence Management, since the  crash of salmon                                                               
resources  in   1998,  there  have   not  been   any  appreciable                                                               
improvements in the run.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:50:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDREW said  another issue,  which is  controversial on  the                                                               
Yukon  River, is  quantifying the  harvest.   He said  the salmon                                                               
harvested in  the customary trade  fisheries must be  a priority.                                                               
The  reallocation  of  a  legitimate  commercial  fishery  to  an                                                               
unquantifiable customary trade fishery  is dangerous for resource                                                               
management.    He  said  during  his  testimony  to  the  federal                                                               
subsistence  board, U.S.  Fish and  Wildlife  Special Agent  Stan                                                               
Pruszenski,  chief law  enforcement agent  for Alaska,  indicated                                                               
that  80  percent  of  the  customary  trade  harvest  of  salmon                                                               
occurred  in state  waters.   No  one on  the state  side of  the                                                               
fishery management arena  is concerned about this, he  said.  Mr.                                                               
Andrew offered to answer questions.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREW, in response to  Representative Dick, said in 2009 and                                                               
2011  there  were high  waters  on  the  Yukon River,  with  high                                                               
amounts  of  silt and  debris.    During  those years,  the  most                                                               
restrictive subsistence regulations were in  place.  He said data                                                               
from sonar  shows a conservative  count, not the total  number of                                                               
salmon that went upriver to spawn.   He clarified that it was the                                                               
department  that  said  it  was   counting  conservatively.    He                                                               
explained  that AVCP  would like  the department  to do  some run                                                               
reconstruction  to  minimize  the   impacts  of  restrictions  on                                                               
subsistence and commercial  users of Chinook salmon  on the Yukon                                                               
River.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREW,  in response  to Representative  Herron, said  he has                                                               
been fishing  since he was 11,  and there have been  years of low                                                               
chum salmon  returns, and  years of  low Chinook  salmon returns.                                                               
He said  his concern regarding  7.5-inch gear is that  when there                                                               
is a low abundance of  summer chum salmon, which run concurrently                                                               
with Chinook salmon, the closure will be on both species.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:54:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREW,  in response to  Representative Seaton,  relayed that                                                               
customary  trade is  allowed under  federal statute,  through the                                                               
Alaska National  Interest Lands Conservation Act  (ANILCA), which                                                               
allows a  person to process  salmon and sell  it to anybody.   He                                                               
offered his  understanding that  it is  illegal under  state law,                                                               
but that law is unenforced.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THOMPSON  announced  that   the  committee  would  hear  a                                                               
presentation by Rose Fosdick.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:56:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROSE  FOSDICK,   Vice  President,  Natural   Resources  Division,                                                               
Kawerak,   Inc.  ("Kawerak"),   gave  a   presentation  entitled,                                                               
"Resource  Management  Concerns  and  Allocations  of  Management                                                               
Resources."   She referred to  a handout listing fish  numbers in                                                               
surrounding rivers,  and she said  Kawerak has kept track  of the                                                               
following  rivers  in 2003  and  2011:   Snake,  Nome,  Eldorado,                                                               
Noatak, Pilgrim,  North, and  Quinhagak.  She  said Kawerak  is a                                                               
regional  nonprofit organization  serving 15  communities located                                                               
on  the  Seward  Peninsula,  St.  Lawrence  Island,  and  Diomede                                                               
Island.  She said the Norton  Sound and Bering Strait Regions are                                                               
concerned and  request that the legislature  direct attention and                                                               
funding toward failing regional salmon stocks.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FOSDICK  said Kawerak  supports  salmon  bycatch limits  and                                                               
additional  conservation measures  for Bering  Sea trawl  fishers                                                               
and  the South  Peninsula False  Pass sockeye  salmon fishery  to                                                               
prevent the loss  of valuable subsistence salmon  resources.  She                                                               
said Kawerak  requests that the legislature  appropriate money to                                                               
fund salmon  research and restoration  efforts in  Western Alaska                                                               
to the Alaska Sustainable Salmon Fund (AKSSF).                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:59:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. FOSDICK said  despite the fact there  is mandated subsistence                                                               
priority at both the federal  and state level, commercial fishing                                                               
interests have  been favored by government  fisheries managers at                                                               
both  the  state and  federal  level.    She said  management  of                                                               
Western Alaska salmon  falls under the jurisdiction  of ADF&G and                                                               
NMFS,  on which  the North  Pacific Fisheries  Management Council                                                               
(NPFMC) has a lot influence on  decisions.  Ms. Fosdick said NMFS                                                               
manages  salmon   caught  incidentally  by  offshore   and  trawl                                                               
fisheries,  and attempts  to minimize  the impact  on large-scale                                                               
pollock fisheries,  without regard to the  annual fluctuations in                                                               
salmon returns, or state management measures.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. FOSDICK said Inupiaq, Yupik,  and St. Lawrence Yupik cultures                                                               
and traditions are based on  hunting, fishing, and living off the                                                               
land.    She  said  the  people  there  want  to  maintain  their                                                               
subsistence  practices and  prefer subsistence  food over  store-                                                               
bought  food.   She stated,  "Our subsistence  needs are  no less                                                               
important  than  offshore fisheries."    She  indicated that  she                                                               
would  be giving  charts to  the committee  that show  decreasing                                                               
escapements  in   Bering  Strait   and  Norton  Sound,   and  the                                                               
increasing bycatch of salmon by  trawl fishermen.  She said NPFMC                                                               
is  preparing  a chum  salmon  bycatch  management plan  for  the                                                               
Bering Sea pollock  fishery.  She stated that  Kawerak supports a                                                               
meaningful  bycatch   cap  and  additional  measures   which  may                                                               
actually reduce chum salmon bycatch in the region.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FOSDICK  talked  about ADF&G's  management  of  chum  salmon                                                               
fishing, noting  that the  department has  tried Tier  II fishing                                                               
measures, which have  not been well-received or  successful.  She                                                               
said whenever harvest is allowed after  the run begins, it is for                                                               
only two  open periods per week  in the marine waters.   She said                                                               
Kawerak  believes  that  the  managers  are  out  of  options  to                                                               
preserve  Nome sub-district  chum salmon  stocks, and  she opined                                                               
that the burden  should be shared with False  Pass sockeye salmon                                                               
fishermen and the federally managed pollock industry.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:02:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. FOSDICK  listed the  following numbers  of species  that were                                                               
counted  at the  weir at  Pilgrim River  in the  summer of  2011:                                                               
8,449 sockeye salmon, 269 Coho  salmon, 44 king salmon, and 3,364                                                               
pink salmon.   She said  it is  becoming apparent that  filing an                                                               
Endangered Species Act  (ESA) petition is an  option to consider,                                                               
realizing  that NOAA  funds the  Pacific Coastal  Salmon Recovery                                                               
Fund (PCSRF) and  AKSSF obtains its funding from that  fund.  She                                                               
stated that Alaska  does not have "listed species  of salmon," so                                                               
the focus  of projects and  funds has been on  salmon enhancement                                                               
and  harvest management.   She  said Kawerak  also believes  that                                                               
ADF&G  has  at  its  discretion   the  ability  to  make  funding                                                               
available  to the  AYK Region  so that  programs could  result in                                                               
funding research needs similar to  the needs that were identified                                                               
in  the  AYK Sustainable  Salmon  Initiative  (SSI) research  and                                                               
restoration plan.   She  said Kawerak believes  that part  of the                                                               
reason  the state  has funneled  money to  the AKSSF  and avoided                                                               
making funds available to the AYK  Region is because by doing so,                                                               
it is  able to direct funds  to its own preferred  projects, with                                                               
less rigorous scientific  review.  She said  through its actions,                                                               
ADF&G  has excluded  the AYK  stakeholders from  participating in                                                               
the decision-making process.  The  Bering Strait and Norton Sound                                                               
Region has experienced drastic fish  decline since the 1990s, and                                                               
fish returns continue to decline.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:05:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. FOSDICK, reading  from a handout, listed  stipulations in the                                                               
AKSSF call  for proposals for  FY 11 funding, and  named criteria                                                               
that must  be met in  order for projects  to qualify as  being of                                                               
high  strategic importance.   She  then  described the  strategic                                                               
focus  for  the  AYK  Region  stock assessment.    She  said  the                                                               
strategic  concerns   identified  in  the  AYK   Region  have  no                                                               
relevance to  what is  going on  in the  Bering Strait  or Bethel                                                               
Regions.   She said  Kawerak is concerned  about the  survival of                                                               
stocks and gave  examples to support her  previous statement that                                                               
ADF&G  treats the  AYK subsistence  fisheries as  being of  lower                                                               
importance   than   commercial   fisheries,  evidenced   by   the                                                               
allocation  of staff,  resources, and  research, the  decision of                                                               
the BOF to  remove chum salmon caps, and the  decision of NMFS to                                                               
set a high Chinook cap.   She said NOAA's PCSRF report shows that                                                               
there is an overwhelming need for research in the AYK Regions.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FOSDICK concluded  by listing  Kawerak's recommendations  as                                                               
follows:  funds be set aside  by ADF&G for AYK Region research; a                                                               
process  be used  wherein the  recommendations of  rural Alaskans                                                               
are solicited  and incorporated into  plans; a review be  done by                                                               
the   House   Resources   Standing  Committee   of   the   unique                                                               
collaboration,  research,  communication,   and  efforts  of  the                                                               
Alaska Yukon  Kuskokwim Sustainable  Salmon Initiative  (AYK SSI)                                                               
Steering  Committee; that  the legislature  send  letters to  the                                                               
Secretary  of  Commerce  to request  protection  of  chum  salmon                                                               
through a low bycatch cap;  that meaningful salmon bycatch limits                                                               
be established for the South  Peninsula False Pass sockeye salmon                                                               
fishery; and  additional research  and restoration funds  be made                                                               
available  to  address  fishery  concerns  in  the  Norton  Sound                                                               
Region.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:09:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FOSDICK, in  response  to  Representative Seaton,  indicated                                                               
that  the  information on  the  charts  to which  she  previously                                                               
referred came  from ADF&G,  and she confirmed  that no  goals are                                                               
established for the  Pilgrim and North Rivers.  She  said a point                                                               
of frustration has been that  when there are no escapement goals,                                                               
the  perception that  follows  is  that there  is  no problem  to                                                               
address.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FOSDICK,  in  response  to  Representative  Austerman,  said                                                               
Kawerak appreciates  the fact that  funds have been spent  on the                                                               
AYK Region,  but she said  a closer look  will show that  most of                                                               
that  money  is  being  spent  on ADF&G  projects.    In  further                                                               
response  to  Representative  Austerman,  she  clarified  that  a                                                               
possible ESA would involve chum salmon.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:12:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 4:12 p.m. to 4:25 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:25:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THOMPSON announced that the  committee would hear next from                                                               
Jill  Klein of  the Yukon  River Drainage  Fisheries Association,                                                               
regarding  community  involvement  in  management  decisions  and                                                               
monitoring.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:26:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JILL KLEIN,  Executive Director,  Yukon River  Drainage Fisheries                                                               
Association  (YRDFA),  stated that  YRDFA  is  an association  of                                                               
subsistence and commercial fishermen  with a mission of promoting                                                               
and  protecting all  healthy fisheries  and  cultures within  the                                                               
Yukon River  drainage.   She said the  association was  formed in                                                               
1991 in  response to disastrously  low salmon runs.   In addition                                                               
to  its   mission,  YRDFA's  goal   is  to  foster   and  improve                                                               
communication   among  fishermen   and   between  fishermen   and                                                               
managers.  She  said the board is comprised of  30 delegates - 16                                                               
members  and 14  alternates -  representing each  community along                                                               
the Yukon  River, and meets  annually to discuss  fishing issues.                                                               
She said clearly the rapidly  declining salmon runs are the issue                                                               
of utmost importance on the Yukon River.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLEIN said Chinook salmon are  a critical source of food, and                                                               
the subsistence fisheries  and the salmon are a  key component to                                                               
the indigenous  cultures of the  region.  She stated  that recent                                                               
reductions  in  subsistence  Chinook  salmon  fishing  times  and                                                               
changes to gillnet  fishing gear have greatly  impacted the Yukon                                                               
River communities.   Furthermore, the lack  of commercial Chinook                                                               
salmon  fisheries necessitated  by the  Chinook salmon  shortages                                                               
has  also had  a dramatic  effect on  income on  the small  rural                                                               
communities  where commercial  salmon  fisheries are  one of  the                                                               
only sources of income.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:28:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN said  research into  the  causes of  the declines  and                                                               
improved management tools are critical  to the issue.  She stated                                                               
that YRDFA  fully supports the  upcoming testimony of  the Bering                                                               
Sea  Fishermen's Association  (BSFA),  as well  as the  testimony                                                               
made  on behalf  of Kawerak.    She emphasized  that support  for                                                               
addressing    economic    development,   including    alternative                                                               
commercial fisheries, sustaining  rural communities, and reducing                                                               
other sources  of mortality  is important.   The  association has                                                               
worked  for  years  to  reduce  salmon  bycatch  in  the  pollock                                                               
fishery, and  while numbers  have been low  in recent  years, the                                                               
YRDFA is  continually monitoring the  trends.  She said  YRDFA is                                                               
also  working through  the council  process to  ensure management                                                               
measures are in place to reduce chum bycatch, as well.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN  said  YRDFA's  niche   is  community  involvement  in                                                               
fisheries monitoring  and decision-making, which is  critical for                                                               
the following reasons:  managers  gain insight and knowledge from                                                               
those "on  the ground" who  have long-term knowledge  about their                                                               
particular  areas; hiring  locals  builds the  capacity of  those                                                               
people  and  makes  it  possible  for  them  to  be  involved  in                                                               
management.  Incorporating  traditional ecological knowledge into                                                               
management  decisions  is  also  critical, and  has  been  a  key                                                               
component of YRDFA's programs for more than 10 years.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEIN stated that in  the past, YRDFA received funding through                                                               
direct  appropriations  via the  PSCRF  to  conduct some  of  its                                                               
monitoring work.  Projects from  the past included:  hiring local                                                               
people  to work  on ADF&G  and  U.S. Fish  and Wildlife  Services                                                               
(USFWS)  fisheries monitoring  projects; working  with ADF&G  and                                                               
USFWS   to  develop   an   in-season   harvest  survey   program;                                                               
documenting  traditional   ecological  knowledge   about  natural                                                               
indicators  of  salmon  abundance and  arrival;  partnering  with                                                               
ADF&G and USFWS to contribute  funds, resources, and capacity for                                                               
running  successful  projects  in   the  Yukon  River  watershed.                                                               
Federal  appropriations   helped  YRDFA  to  ensure   there  were                                                               
projects  on the  Yukon River  directly aimed  at engaging  local                                                               
people and fisheries monitoring.   Ms. Klein said while there are                                                               
projects  with  those  aims,  they  are  largely  funded  through                                                               
competitive  processes,  and  there  is  no  assurance  that  the                                                               
projects will  continue.  She  opined that engaging  local people                                                               
in monitoring should be a priority  for the state and one that is                                                               
consistently funded.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:31:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLEIN stated  that engaging local people  and tribes directly                                                               
in   the  decision-making   of   fisheries   is  also   critical.                                                               
Communities  are   directly  affected  by   fisheries  management                                                               
decisions, and - more so in  the AYK Region than anywhere else in                                                               
the state -  those decisions can have a deep  and profound impact                                                               
on  people's  lives  and  livelihoods.   Locals  can  help  craft                                                               
decisions  with the  least negative  impact on  the resource  and                                                               
community, while  also making the  jobs of the state  and federal                                                               
entities  easier.   Ms.  Klein said  YRDFA's  board structure  is                                                               
designed  to facilitate  input from  local people.   She  offered                                                               
further details.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KLEIN continued  to explain  that this  year -  with funding                                                               
from   the  legislature   -  YRDFA   is  undertaking   a  process                                                               
specifically  aimed at  Chinook  salmon management  to develop  a                                                               
larger-picture  plan  for  managing Chinook  salmon  under  their                                                               
current states of  abundance.  This process will  involve a group                                                               
of  stakeholders, agencies,  and technical  experts.   A proposal                                                               
can be submitted April 2012, with  a plan submitted to the BOF at                                                               
its  January 2013  meeting.   She thanked  the state  for funding                                                               
this  work, and  urged  support for  additional  funding for  the                                                               
travel  and staff  time that  is critical  to maintain  community                                                               
involvement in fisheries monitoring and decision-making.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THOMPSON announced that the  committee would next hear from                                                               
the   executive   director   of  the   Bering   Sea   Fishermen's                                                               
Association.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:35:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN   GILLIS,  Executive   Director,  Bering   Sea  Fishermen's                                                               
Association  (BSFA), relayed  that  in 1979,  150 fishermen  from                                                               
over  30  communities  united  to  build  BSFA,  an  organization                                                               
concerned with helping fishermen  gain full economic benefit from                                                               
local  commercial  fisheries.    Currently,  she  said,  BSFA  is                                                               
governed by a  13-member board comprised of  local fishermen from                                                               
Bristol  Bay,  Kotzebue,  Kuskokwim,   Norton  Sound,  the  Yukon                                                               
[River],  and St.  Paul.   She  listed  accomplishments of  BSFA:                                                               
participating in developing a high  seas driftnet ban through the                                                               
United  Nations (UN);  playing  a leading  role  in creating  the                                                               
Community Development  Quota (CDQ)  program; helping  Yukon River                                                               
residents   organize   the   Yukon   River   Drainage   Fisheries                                                               
Association; creating  and implementing  the Bristol  Bay Buyback                                                               
Coalition;  facilitating and  assisting in  negotiations for  the                                                               
U.S.-Canada  Yukon  River   salmon  agreement;  conducting  niche                                                               
marketing in  Western Alaska salmon; initiating  resource surveys                                                               
and  fisheries feasibility  studies in  the Chukchi  Sea; working                                                               
closely with  regional Native associations  to construct  the AYK                                                               
SSI.   Ms. Gillis said  BSFA also administers and  directs salmon                                                               
monitoring and scientific research.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GILLIS  stated  that  BSFA's   concern  is  the  health  and                                                               
condition of  marine and freshwater ecosystems  and the resources                                                               
they  support,   which  must  survive  the   influence  of  human                                                               
activities,   climate   variations,  and   interactions   between                                                               
species.   She said what  once looked like short-term  decline in                                                               
the populations of  salmon is now looking like it  might be long-                                                               
term.   More alarming is  the realization that there  are massive                                                               
knowledge  gaps,  and she  advised  it  will  take time  to  find                                                               
answers  to  explain  the  declines, to  work  on  strategies  to                                                               
prevent them  in the future, and  to create tools to  manage them                                                               
in  the  interim.   Ms.  Gillis  emphasized that  those  managing                                                               
fisheries  must  improve  their  interaction  with  rural  Native                                                               
residents  and  communities.   She  talked  about  the  difficult                                                               
decisions  made by  managers, and  residents'  response to  those                                                               
decisions,  which  include   adopting  confrontational  postures,                                                               
practicing civil disobedience, and  engaging in outright sabotage                                                               
- all  forms of  communication developed after  more constructive                                                               
attempts of communication  have failed.  These  abrasive forms of                                                               
communication are more costly than  bringing people together into                                                               
data gathering,  analysis, and the decision-making  process.  She                                                               
pointed out  that BSFA  wants to  see effort on  the part  of the                                                               
legislature to  ensure the long-term  viability of  programs such                                                               
as the following.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:39:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. GILLIS  stated that in the  summer of 1993, many  chum salmon                                                               
runs  in  Western  Alaska  unpredictably   failed  to  return  in                                                               
expected  numbers.   The  U.S.  Department  of Interior  provided                                                               
funds to monitor the runs,  with the stipulation that communities                                                               
and residents be full partners.   She said BSFA managed the funds                                                               
between 1994 and  2006; however, since that time  the program has                                                               
gone  unfunded at  the federal  level.   She  explained that  the                                                               
greatest  benefit of  the program  was that  projects implemented                                                               
with the  funds were coordinated with  ADF&G or USFWS.   She said                                                               
BSFA  encouraged community-based  organizations, regional  Native                                                               
organizations,  and  individual  fishermen   to  partake  in  all                                                               
projects  in  order  to  increase  participation  and  engagement                                                               
between regional residents,  organizations, and federal entities.                                                               
She  said it  was the  first  AYK Region-wide  effort to  involve                                                               
rural communities and individuals  in salmon monitoring projects.                                                               
The funding provided up to  175 seasonal jobs, including training                                                               
and  mentoring  programs  providing opportunities  for  youth  to                                                               
engage  in scientific  research in  their own  communities.   Ms.                                                               
Gillis said the  model for this program remains in  place, and it                                                               
was  an investment  in constituents  that  built credibility  and                                                               
trust.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:41:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. GILLIS said since 1997,  the unexpected decline in AYK salmon                                                               
runs warranted 16 disaster  declarations in different watersheds,                                                               
resulting in  harvest restrictions which have  created tremendous                                                               
hardships for the  communities in a region with  both the highest                                                               
subsistence dependence  on salmon and  the lowest incomes  in the                                                               
state.  In  response to these declines, BSFA  and regional Native                                                               
organizations invited  state and  federal agencies to  create the                                                               
AYK  SSI -  a  proactive science-based  program  to identify  and                                                               
address critical  salmon research needs  facing the region.   She                                                               
said the  AYK SSI includes:   the Association of  Village Council                                                               
Presidents, Tanana  Chiefs Conference, Kawerak, Inc.,  Bering Sea                                                               
Fishermen's Association,  ADF&G, NOAA  Fisheries, and  the USFWS.                                                               
The AYK  SSI is  governed by  an eight-member  steering committee                                                               
and  advised  by a  six-member  technical  committee.   The  U.S.                                                               
Congress and the State of  Alaska have appropriated $21.7 million                                                               
to support the AYK SSI, which  she described as a unique research                                                               
program dedicated to understanding  the declines of salmon across                                                               
both  the  freshwater  and  marine   ecosystems  of  the  region,                                                               
advancing research across the entire  lifecycle of salmon, and as                                                               
one  of the  largest collaborative  efforts  of its  kind on  the                                                               
North Pacific Coast.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:43:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GILLIS   listed  the  following  AYK   SSI  accomplishments:                                                               
development  of the  AYK SSI  Research and  Restoration plan  - a                                                               
strategic  salmon  science  plan  providing a  roadmap  to  guide                                                               
requests  for proposals;  a partnership  with  the North  Pacific                                                               
Research Board and the Exxon  Valdez Oil Spill Trustee Council to                                                               
establish a rigorous, external peer  review process overseen by a                                                               
scientific technical committee; development  and application of a                                                               
regional  capacity-building  program,  creating a  new  model  by                                                               
which rural communities and organizations  can directly engage in                                                               
fisheries research activities; organization  of a salmon research                                                               
symposium, with  the subsequent publication of  a book, entitled,                                                               
"Pacific  Salmon  Ecology  and  Management  of  Western  Alaska's                                                               
Populations."   Ms. Gillis  said the AYK  SSI remains  focused on                                                               
harnessing   research   to   understand  declines   and   support                                                               
sustainable  management of  these  stocks.   The research  plan's                                                               
core  focus is  on the  development of  new fisheries  management                                                               
tools and the synthesis of information for improved forecasting.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:44:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. GILLIS  highlighted three projects  currently underway.   The                                                               
first project  is escapement  goal-setting to  ensure sustainable                                                               
fisheries.   She said escapement goals  and management strategies                                                               
for  salmon stocks  throughout Alaska  have been  the subject  of                                                               
controversy.    Traditional  methods   are  hampered  by  limited                                                               
information.   She told  of new initiatives  and an  expert panel                                                               
that  offers advice  to the  state toward  "the most  appropriate                                                               
research  approaches."    Ms.  Gillis  said  the  second  project                                                               
addresses human  systems and sustainable salmon.   Another expert                                                               
panel was created  to design a model using  quantitative data and                                                               
assumptions   to   predict   salmon  harvest   for   subsistence,                                                               
commercial, and  sport uses.   The model predicts harvest  by use                                                               
categories at the levels of  drainage, major area, and stock, and                                                               
also predicts  future harvest under various  scenarios, including                                                               
human populations,  salmon abundance,  numbers of dog  teams, and                                                               
monetary income.   Ms.  Gillis said  the third  project addresses                                                               
research  priorities for  AYK Chinook  salmon, and  it identifies                                                               
priorities  for future  research.   She said  BSFA is  working to                                                               
determine  the variables  that account  for long-term  declines -                                                               
and shorter  episodic declines  - and to  figure out  whether the                                                               
declines are occurring  primarily in the freshwater  phase or the                                                               
marine  portion of  the Chinook  salmon lifecycle.   The  project                                                               
will describe a research pathway  through a series of projects to                                                               
answer these questions.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GILLIS   said  the  AYK  SSI   Chinook  salmon  subcommittee                                                               
requested a  compilation of evidence  for long-term  declines and                                                               
periodic low returns of AYK  Region Chinook populations.  For the                                                               
Yukon River, the  analysis indicated that the  most recent period                                                               
of  low abundance,  which began  in 2007,  resulted from  the low                                                               
productivity of the  2002-2004 brood years, which  was one return                                                               
per spawner.  This meant that  in the absence of any fishing, the                                                               
population is barely able to  replenish itself.  She related that                                                               
for  the Kuskokwim  River, with  the exception  of the  unusually                                                               
strong "recruit:responder"  ratio from the 2000  brood year," the                                                               
analysis  shows a  period of  low productivity  over the  past 15                                                               
years.   She  said that  between 1994  and 2006,  only two  brood                                                               
years had productivity  levels greater than 2:1,  and seven years                                                               
during  that  period, productivity  fell  below  one recruit  per                                                               
spawner.   She said productivity  from the 2004-2006  brood years                                                               
was  below  the minimum  replacement  level  of one  recruit  per                                                               
spawner, producing the lowest trending  run abundance in the past                                                               
four years.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. GILLIS  said it is  possible to safeguard  Alaska's treasured                                                               
salmon runs and the thousands  of people whose livelihoods depend                                                               
on them.   She expressed  certainty that everyone wants  the same                                                               
thing:  resources that are healthy  and abundant in numbers.  She                                                               
said it  is exciting to  be part  of the state's  progress toward                                                               
getting  stakeholders involved  in the  management process.   She                                                               
said the  decisions made have  consequences and  risks associated                                                               
with them.   Ms. Gillis said  the ultimate goal is  to understand                                                               
and rebuild salmon  stocks.  She reiterated the  effects that low                                                               
salmon runs  have.   She named those  concerned and  the entities                                                               
involved, including the legislature.  She concluded as follows:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Many  current  fishery problems  are  the  legacy of  a                                                                    
     misplaced belief in  the resiliency or inexhaustibility                                                                    
     of  our resources.   Our  task and  yours requires  the                                                                    
     involvement of  every person,  from doctors  of science                                                                    
     to   subsistence  users,   to   commit  themselves   to                                                                    
     implementation  of the  idea  of  healthy and  abundant                                                                    
     salmon stocks for  generations to come.   This can only                                                                    
     be achieved by working together.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:51:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  GILLIS, in  response to  Representative Austerman,  said the                                                               
aforementioned  $21.7  million  was  given by  U.S.  Congress  in                                                               
federal FY 02, and the first  projects were in the water in 2003.                                                               
She confirmed that the funding lasted 10 years.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:52:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THOMPSON opened public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:52:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ORVILLE  HUNTINGTON,  Director,  Wildlife  Parks,  Tanana  Chiefs                                                               
Conference, said  his concerns are the  same as those of  Tim and                                                               
Ms. Fosdick, which  are related to the  difficulty experienced by                                                               
subsistence fishermen.  He said  his experience has shown that it                                                               
is necessary  to work with  "fish and  game."  He  encouraged the                                                               
legislature to  continue its support of  good organizations, such                                                               
as the  Bering Sea  Fishermen's Association  and the  Yukon River                                                               
Drainage Fisheries  Association.  He said  his organization works                                                               
closely with  them.   He observed  that some  representatives had                                                               
left the meeting, and he said  he is sorry that happened, because                                                               
"it's not easy living  out there."  He related that  he is one of                                                               
the  few  commercial  fishermen  in  the area  who  has  let  his                                                               
commercial  fishing license  sunset, because  he "didn't  see the                                                               
sense in it anymore."  He said  this summer was the first that he                                                               
only  fished one  day as  a subsistence  fisherman.   He said  he                                                               
knows he has done his part,  and said complaining will not get to                                                               
the root of the  problem.  He said he thinks  that "you guys" are                                                               
the ones  that can do  the most good at  this point.   He relayed                                                               
that he  has met with  representatives in the  federal government                                                               
and has  been told  to do the  best he can  "within the  system -                                                               
without money," and he said  those are difficult words to accept.                                                               
Mr.  Huntington  expressed  his  willingness  to  work  with  the                                                               
legislature on this issue, and he thanked ADF&G for its efforts.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:56:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LOUIS  GREEN  said   he  comes  from  a   sub-district  that  has                                                               
experienced  a decline  in salmon  runs for  30 years.   He  said                                                               
there is a  lot of emphasis on  the AYK Region and  he thinks the                                                               
testimony  he has  heard has  covered much  of the  problem.   He                                                               
related  that  he has  been  both  a subsistence  and  commercial                                                               
fisherman.   The declines  in the  Nome sub-district  started way                                                               
ahead of that of other areas,  but the efforts he and others made                                                               
to bring  this to  light seemed to  fall on deaf  ears.   Now, he                                                               
said,  it seems  that many  people  are using  "our" problems  to                                                               
bring theirs forward.   He said Nome's long  history of declining                                                               
salmon runs  is not just an  economic issue, but also  a cultural                                                               
issue.   He said  he is shareholder  of Sitnasuak  Village Native                                                               
Corporation,  which  owns  all  the  land  around  ADF&G  Special                                                               
Management Area  Unit 22C, and  many of  the rivers in  that area                                                               
are rivers  of concern.  Mr.  Green said he also  served as chair                                                               
of the  Tier II  salmon work  group, in 1998  and 1999,  and that                                                               
system "didn't do  anything."  He offered  his understanding that                                                               
the escapement  goals were  dropped, and when  he asked  the past                                                               
AYK  director  why,  he  was essentially  told  not  to  complain                                                               
because he "got the fish."  Mr.  Green said he has a problem with                                                               
lowering escapement goals  to get fish, because  it means killing                                                               
off the runs faster.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. GREEN  said he  heard someone say  the Nome  sub-district has                                                               
escaped  Tier II  management for  a while.   He  questioned local                                                               
management allowing subsistence fishing  before any of the salmon                                                               
get  up  to  the  counting  weir,  and  then  shutting  down  the                                                               
subsistence  fishing when  management  decides  it's not  getting                                                               
enough.  He  said that is backwards management,  because the fish                                                               
should get up to the weir  to ensure they get to spawning grounds                                                               
before  anyone is  allowed  to catch  them.   He  said  he has  a                                                               
difficult time understanding where the  problem lies, and said he                                                               
thinks "there's a lot of political stuff going on here."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. GREEN  said his CDQ group  is allowed to work  on enhancement                                                               
and rehabilitation  of salmon  runs.   He said  he looked  at the                                                               
annual report,  and saw that  $22 million has been  spent through                                                               
2011.    He  said he  doesn't  know  how  much  of that  goes  to                                                               
enhancement,  but knows  that  a  lot of  it  goes  to ADF&G  for                                                               
counting tower projects.   He said that money from  the CDQ group                                                               
is supposed  to take care of  economic development for "us."   He                                                               
said  ADF&G has  an oil  field  "up there"  to take  care of  its                                                               
budget; therefore,  he does  not understand  why they  need "our"                                                               
money.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GREEN said  at one  point  in time  there was  low-technical                                                               
hatchery  running  on the  Nome  River  - through  a  cooperative                                                               
agreement with  ADF&G, the Nome Fishermen's  Association, and the                                                               
regional  aquaculture association  for  Norton  Sound and  Bering                                                               
Straits - that was doing  a small enhancement project that seemed                                                               
to be  working, but "now  that's over  with."  He  questioned why                                                               
the  people  of  Nome  cannot   have  this  hatchery  project  in                                                               
operation for their economic and scientific benefit.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:02:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VERNER  WILSON  stated  that  he  is  a  commercial,  sport,  and                                                               
subsistence  fisherman.   He said  he  also works  for the  World                                                               
Wildlife  Fund (WWF),  which tackles  projects involving  fishing                                                               
off of Russia, pollock and  salmon fisheries, Bristol Bay, and to                                                               
increase the  price, value, and quality  of Bering Sea fish.   He                                                               
described  a WWF  project.   He said  one goal  toward protecting                                                               
Bristol  Bay salmon,  including fisheries  throughout the  Bering                                                               
Sea and  AYK Region, is to  protect marine habitat.   He referred                                                               
to  a NOAA  fisheries  review  completed in  April  2011, by  the                                                               
Bureau of  Ocean Energy Management, Regulation,  and Enforcement,                                                               
titled,  "The Review  of  Salmonid Use  of  North Aleutian  Basin                                                               
Lease  Area and  Surrounding  Habitats," which  states that  when                                                               
salmon  migrate  out  of   freshwater,  including  the  Kuskokwim                                                               
watersheds, some  head directly  to the  North Ocean  Basin area,                                                               
where the  federal government may  allow offshore  drilling after                                                               
2017.  When  those salmon return to spawn,  offshore drilling can                                                               
risk  the   integrity  of  the  fisheries   because  of  drilling                                                               
contaminants,  seismic surveys  or infrastructure  that can  kill                                                               
juvenile  fish  and eggs,  and  oil  spills  that can  harm  fish                                                               
populations and taint  Alaska's clean fisheries' image.   He said                                                               
the  AYK  Region benefits  from  the  CDQ program,  similarly  to                                                               
Bristol Bay, and  warned that if offshore drilling  is allowed in                                                               
the  North  Aleutian  Basin, fishing  operations,  from  crab  to                                                               
pollock, could be affected.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:04:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STAN ZURAY relayed that he  has been a subsistence and commercial                                                               
fisherman in  the Tanana  area for  about 40 years.   He  said he                                                               
presently runs  a number of  fisheries data  collection projects,                                                               
some  of which  are directly  related to  the decline  of Chinook                                                               
salmon run  numbers, quality, and size  of fish.  He  said during                                                               
the years of the decline of  Yukon Chinook salmon in average size                                                               
and  overall   numbers,  proper  escapement  was   determined  by                                                               
management only  by using the  number of fish.   Data collections                                                               
and anecdotal  information show that  a large number  of smaller,                                                               
male  Chinook presently  are being  used towards  this escapement                                                               
number,  and he  said,  "This needs  to be  changed  as it  makes                                                               
managing for proper returns impossible."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. ZURAY stated that the  quality of escapement has clearly been                                                               
more positive  in 2009  and 2011,  the two  years in  which there                                                               
were "Chinook pulse  closures."  He opined that this  needs to be                                                               
instituted and continued for all  pulses each year, until a trend                                                               
of healthy  Chinook years is  shown.  Regarding  customary trade,                                                               
he said he  would like to clarify that it  is not the redirection                                                               
of commercial fish harvest, as  it predates the Alaska Commercial                                                               
Fisheries  Entry Commission  program  by  many years.  Commercial                                                               
fishing, more accurately, is the  redirection of customary trade,                                                               
with  90 percent  of  that allowable  Chinook  quota having  been                                                               
allocated to the  lower of the districts.  He  added, "That would                                                               
be an upper river perspective."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:07:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRED W.  ALEXIE SR. stated  that ADF&G  does not monitor  fish in                                                               
the  Yukon River  by  Kaltag;  the monitoring  is  done based  on                                                               
whatever  is  caught  downriver  or  whatever  passes  the  sonar                                                               
station.  He questioned how ADF&G  knows where the fish that pass                                                               
the  sonar are  going when  the  distance between  the sonar  and                                                               
Kaltag  is so  great.   He recommended  another sonar  station at                                                               
Bishop Mountain, because it would  eliminate the "guesswork."  He                                                               
said the  other sonar is  in Eagle, which  is too far  from Pilot                                                               
Station.  He  expressed his disappointment that  the weir station                                                               
program that  taught children how to  manage fish was ended.   He                                                               
said he  does not see ADF&G  people near his home  to monitor the                                                               
fish.  He pointed out there  were two closures last summer during                                                               
the  peak of  the  Chinook run,  and  that in  all  his years  of                                                               
fishing on the  Yukon he has never  seen it that bad.   He asked,                                                               
"How did [ADF&G] know?"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:10:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIM SMITH, President, Nome  Fishermen's Association, relayed that                                                               
he  also  serves on  the  Federal  Regional Subsistence  Advisory                                                               
Council.   He said  as a  pilot he has  flown salmon  surveys for                                                               
thirty years  over the rivers on  the Seward Peninsula.   He said                                                               
the department's  presentation made  the situation sound  like it                                                               
is getting  better, but he  does not  agree.  He  said commercial                                                               
fishing in the  Nome area has been closed since  1989, and it has                                                               
been closed  in the Port Clarence  district since 2006.   He said                                                               
this year only  forty-six king salmon were caught in  the weir on                                                               
the Pilgrim  River, and returns  have been approximately  in that                                                               
range for  the last  seven years.   He opined that  run -  by any                                                               
reasonable standard  - is extinct.   He said  subsistence fishing                                                               
for red salmon was closed for  most of the season and the harvest                                                               
was insignificant.   In addition, subsistence  fishing for silver                                                               
salmon in the  Nome sub-district was closed for most  of the run,                                                               
and the harvest was insignificant.   He said [Nome's] chum salmon                                                               
returns were low,  and so was the harvest.   Mr. Smith said there                                                               
is  no  useful  information  regarding   what  is  causing  these                                                               
shortages.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH said  he  is  the manager  of  the  Hobson Creek  Fish                                                               
Hatchery in the  Nome River, which is a proven  hatchery that has                                                               
been  working   on  salmon   enhancement  projects   since  1991,                                                               
producing healthy fry and getting  marked adult returns back.  He                                                               
said this year  there is water running through  the hatchery, but                                                               
no eggs, because the hatchery cannot  get permits from ADF&G.  He                                                               
said hatchery production  is necessary to have a  harvest, and he                                                               
does not understand why the department is blocking this effort.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:13:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH, regarding  previous  testimony  from the  department,                                                               
said he  has been a member  of the regional salmon  planning team                                                               
since 1997; however,  that entity has not met since  2006 and has                                                               
no plans  to meet  in the future.   He stated  that there  are no                                                               
meaningful salmon enhancement projects going  on right now on the                                                               
Seward  Peninsula,  while  in  the   rest  of  the  state  salmon                                                               
hatcheries  produce  lots  of  salmon  for  both  commercial  and                                                               
subsistence fishermen.   He said  there are no hatcheries  on the                                                               
Bering Sea,  and he said "we"  don't see how [Nome]  could be the                                                               
only place in  the state that does not  need hatchery production.                                                               
Furthermore, ADF&G  has not  been forthright  on its  position of                                                               
opposition  to  hatchery  production  in  areas  that  have  been                                                               
heavily impacted.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:14:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN   MARACLE,   Director,   Natural  Resources,   Council   of                                                               
Athabascan Tribal  Governments, stated  that the Yukon  Flats saw                                                               
the largest number  of closures for all the Yukon  fisheries.  He                                                               
said the council  remains concerned about "how  the management is                                                               
dealing with the large scope of  our district."  Mr. Maracle said                                                               
based on the  management criteria of escapement  of fish crossing                                                               
the border,  the council  urges the  consideration of  opening up                                                               
tributaries during  fisheries closures.  Certain  tributaries, he                                                               
explained,  do  not  see Canadian-bound  stocks.    Further,  Mr.                                                               
Maracle said  the council would  like to participate in  a better                                                               
collection of  salmon use surveys,  and participate in  a greater                                                               
way  with  subsistence  harvest surveys  that  are  conducted  by                                                               
ADF&G.  He said  there is a lack of trust  between "people on the                                                               
ground"  and ADF&G  personnel, and  the  council firmly  believes                                                               
that good management needs good data.   He said the council would                                                               
like  to   facilitate  that.    In   response  to  Representative                                                               
Austerman,  he named  some of  the  tributaries to  which he  had                                                               
previously referred.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:18:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROY ASHENFELTER,  chair of the  Norton Sound  Advisory Committee,                                                               
offered  a history  of chum  salmon in  the region.   He  said in                                                               
early  2000 there  was  an escapement  goal  - a  chum  cap -  of                                                               
375,000.  He  said the cap was  there for a number of  years in a                                                               
row.   However,  after a  change  of governor,  BOF members,  and                                                               
commissioner, that  was eliminated.   He  said the  message heard                                                               
was,  "We know  when  to  stop fishing."    He  said, "The  carte                                                               
blanche information and strategy in  opening the fishery was left                                                               
to  the  commercial fishermen  -  not  to  the department."    He                                                               
indicated that the  result was that "they cut  1.2 million chum."                                                               
He referred  to data on  the Nome  sub-district, and he  said for                                                               
years  there was  a gradual  incline of  chum salmon  escapement.                                                               
Most of  the rivers had  a reduced chum run.   He stated  that in                                                               
2010 and  2011, the  area fishermen decided  to take  control and                                                               
not open their  fishery until late June.  He  said, "It is really                                                               
scary that  when you have  all kinds of measures  being addressed                                                               
to the users,  subsistence fishermen in Norton  Sound, and Yukon,                                                               
and Kuskokwim, and  in the other area where  they're catching the                                                               
fish there's no  control at all."  He questioned  "How do we make                                                               
some changes?"   He asked [the  committee] when and how  it would                                                               
ask the  department to do  its job.   He said there  is something                                                               
wrong with the system, and he  relayed that, by volume, less than                                                               
2  percent  of   the  fish  caught  are   caught  by  subsistence                                                               
fishermen.   Mr. Ashenfelter  observed that  the research  in his                                                               
area is  being done  by the  local CDQ, not  the department.   He                                                               
then expressed his  hope that there would  be meaningful dialogue                                                               
and  shared responsibility  regarding the  responsible management                                                               
of chum salmon.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:24:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  THOMPSON  noted  that Charles  Swanton,  Director  of  the                                                               
Division of Sport  Fish, ADF&G, and Mike Smith from  the BOF were                                                               
available for questions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  stated he had  requested an analysis  of a                                                               
chart that had  been given to the  committee regarding escapement                                                               
goals, so that there is a way to monitor large streams.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:24:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN  commented to  the department  that this                                                               
hearing  has highlighted  many issues  that have  gone unanswered                                                               
for  years.   He  said he  would like  another  hearing with  the                                                               
department  at  the  start  of  the  new  session  regarding  the                                                               
information  that was  presented today  - particularly  regarding                                                               
the amount of money that is being  spent on research.  He said he                                                               
was  pleased  to  discover  that the  governor  and  perhaps  the                                                               
commissioner  are  taking a  stronger  interest  in putting  more                                                               
money into the AYK Region to  find out what is going on; however,                                                               
he  remarked that  there is  only so  long research  can continue                                                               
before it may be necessary to  question the research.  He said he                                                               
wants  stronger answers  from the  department  to explain  what's                                                               
going  on in  the marine  environment.   Representative Austerman                                                               
said he  would also  like to  consider what  is happening  in the                                                               
Asian market,  as well,  because "at some  point in  time there's                                                               
going to  be an 'abundance  limit' of  what the ocean  system can                                                               
take."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:28:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR THOMPSON said  he is certain the department  has taken note                                                               
of the concerns  expressed during testimony, and  he said follow-                                                               
up discussions will occur, beginning in January.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:29:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Fisheries  meeting was  adjourned at  5:29                                                               
p.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
DF&G 1. Cover Letter for Response to Questions on AYK Fisheries (3).pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 2. Response to Questions on AYK Fisheries.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 3. AYK Stocks of Concern Designations Q2.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 4. Com Fish - Project Summary Report - FY2012 Allocation Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 5. Com Fish - Project Summary Report - FY2011 Allocation Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 6. Com Fish - Project Summary Report - FY2010 Allocation Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
Leg. Research 1. AYK Stocks of Concern Memo.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
Leg. Research 2. FG Approp History FY01 Fnl Budget to FY12 Budget (3).pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
Research Questions on AYK Fisheries v 6 0.docx.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
Agenda re Hearing 10.19.11.docx HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 7. Com Fish - Project Summary Report - FY2009 Allocation Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 8. Com Fish - Project Summary Report - FY2008 Allocation Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 9. Com Fish - Project Summary Report - FY2007 Allocation Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 10. Sport Fish - Project Summary Report - FY2012 Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 11. Sport Fish - Project Summary Report - FY2011 Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 12. Sport Fish - Project Summary Report - FY2010 Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 13. Sport Fish - Project Summary Report - FY2009 Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 14. Sport Fish - Project Summary Report - FY2008 Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 15. Sport Fish - Project Summary Report - FY2007 Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 16. AKSSF - Exclusive of AYKSSI Earmark Projects - FFY2000-2010 Q4 and Q6.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 17. RDU Detail - DFG Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 18. State Funded Programs Associated with Addressing SOC Q2.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 19. 2010 OSM Fisheries Resource Monitoring Plan Q1 (2).pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 20. 2008 OSM Fisheries Resource Monitoring Plan Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 21. 2007 OSM Fisheries Resource Monitoring Plan Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 22. 2006 OSM Fisheries Resource Monitoring Plan Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 23. 2005 OSM Fisheries Resource Monitoring Plan Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 24. 2004 OSM Fisheries Resource Monitoring Plan Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 25. 2003 OSM Fisheries Resource Monitoring Plan Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 26. 2002 OSM Fisheries Resource Monitoring Plan Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 27. 2001 OSM Fisheries Resource Monitoring Plan Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G 28. 2000 OSM Fisheries Resource Monitoring Plan Q1.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
BSFA Testimony 10 19 11.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
2011 Yukon Summer Season Summary_FINAL.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
ADF&G State Funded Programs Associated with Addressing SOC Q2.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
Public Testimony - Art Ivanoff.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
Public Testimony - Art Ivanoff Appeal to Washington and Oregon political leaders.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
DF&G AYK Stocks of Concern Funding Q2.pdf HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM
Kawerak Testimony for Fisheries Hearing in ANC October 2011.docx HFSH 10/19/2011 2:30:00 PM